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Post by Sir Kiken on Nov 14, 2009 19:27:03 GMT -5
So the question is asked. In a battle between the beloved and popular Transformers (Autobots and/or Decepticons), and the well known practically legendary creations of the Mobile Suit Gundam series; who would be the victor?
First, we would need to find out the general strengths and weaknesses of the two groups to make sure it's even worth debating an actual match up. Eventually if we get good enough we could do this "Deadliest Warrior" style ;D.
So, Pros and Cons to Transformers and then Gundams.
PO (Personal Opinion): Gundam (dependant on particular mobile suits.)
Let the debate begin!
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Post by Pheonix Metabashi on Nov 14, 2009 20:21:50 GMT -5
Weakness of a gundam: Needs a pilot. A fatigued or weakened pilot could do major damage. Transformer Weakness: size, the average transformer is a car to tank size machine. In a fight against gundams it could be a potential weakness.
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Post by Sir Kiken on Nov 14, 2009 22:32:03 GMT -5
Gundams -Pros- Speed: Though a previously unthought of advantage Gundams are generally going to be faster than the prestigious denizens of Cybertron. Mainly because of their thrusters, but faster all the same. Build: Gundams are bigger than most transformers with a perfect example being that the origional Gundam (RX-78-2 Gundam) is roughly 59 feet tall with Optimus standing only about 20 ft. Weaponry: Not that Gundam weapons beat Transformer weapons, but that Gundams have a much larger variety of weapons. Each Transformer has whatever weapons are a part of their natural makeup and posibly one other according to the old show they did build and carry other things into battle. -Cons- Pilot: Though the pilots can be highly skilled against a sentient being with the lasting ability of a machine they are, to some degree, a hinderence. A pilot can grow weary, lose focus, or even be knocked unconscious with enough trauma to his mobile suit, and without a pilot, an ms is just a big metal target. Lifeform: Again, with the pilot. An ms is only as good as the man/woman controlling it. If Amuro Ray had sucked balls behind MK-1 he could've still been shot down. If there's anything off about the pilot the suit is toast. Transformers...sentient. Machines that think and have reflexes. Agility: Though faster in sheer speed than Cybertronians, the movements and reflexes of Gundams and their pilots can't match up toe to toe with something that IS the mobile suit. Gundams can move but not with the same ease and fluidity of a human being as a Transformer. ------------------------------------- Transformers -Pros- Healing Transformers even without the use of the medic can heal over time like humans, but even faster. Not light speed or anything, but fairly quickly in comparison. Self-Awareness Possibly the biggest advantage is the fact that Transformers need no pilot and need only to respond with reflex in order to act. They don't need to pilot a machine to fight, they simply fight. Unlimited Ammo Transformers never run out of ammo. Not to mention they all posses some form of beam-like weaponry which is highly destructive. Mobility Transforming into a vehicle persay would not perhaps be an advantage, but their shere althetics do give them an edge. Transformers can do flips and leap great distances possesing superhuman reflexes. -Cons- Size Far smaller than Gundams, Transformers would have to fight extra hard to do as much damage to one as compared to one of their own persay. While one good swing from a beam saber could be the end. Pain Alas, because transformers are sentient being and very human like; they feel pain and must recoil when something hurts. Though in some situations this proves to be an advantage in survival it also causes problems when faced with an unflinching adversary. Mortality Destroying the head of a Trns can and will kill it as will stabbing through the torso or 'heart' of him. Whereas unless you cut through the cockpit a gundam can still move, and still kill you. ---------------------------------------- All in all they are somewhat well matched, though looking at some facts I'd give the edge to a gundam. Especially thinking of examples like Wing Zero, and Burning. One such thing is that Transformer melee weapons are a part of their body, and a beam saber can cut through it as can a beam rifle shot. Though, transformers are made of tougher material. Still vote one for Gundams in the blue corner.My Gundam of choice would be Burning Gundam seeing as the transformers have a noted weakness to superheated attacks.
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Post by Rofl Panda on Nov 15, 2009 0:56:50 GMT -5
OK i see the point of the mobile suits having a general faster speed, but when you compare that, say, a transformer can turn into a hot rod or a jet, i would say that can be varied, as for weapons, most ms's have standard melee fighting equipment, like heat rods, beam swords etc., were as like in transformers 1 & 2 optimus prime has a very heat sword like sword thingy,, the armor also is a variable, like a tank transformer would be better equipped, but then you have gundams, hmmmm, uh the transformers have the ability to have a surprise attack on ms's, what normal ms pilot would expect a hover tank to turn into a robot, and that leads to the question can a transformer turn into a ms?
also i kinda lean towards mobile suits,
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Post by Pheonix Metabashi on Nov 15, 2009 1:08:03 GMT -5
I think there are more transformers than gundams.
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Post by Rofl Panda on Nov 15, 2009 1:21:50 GMT -5
if we really wanted to throw a GRanade in to the pond, the is that one transforming PLANET, yeah i think i remember one of those, but then we would have to factor in ms's space ships and stuff.
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Post by Pheonix Metabashi on Nov 15, 2009 1:41:43 GMT -5
Well. What about Trans ability to mimic machines. A Mobile Suit is a machine and there are Trans as large as gundams. Few but existent. Their ability to mimic mobile suit tech and combine it with a conscience of a trans could change the tide of the battle drastically. Also the ability of combination could add power and speed. Last, minicons that add massive power and weapons. These are all factors that could change the results of a battle depending on the combatants. If a trans were to mimic a mobile suit, their reaction time combined with their unique customization of mobile suit weapons and technology in their trans state could be a determining factor. Not to mention the struggle of Dark Gundam vs. the planet sized trans. Although i love Gundams, i gotta in with the versatility of the Red Corner's transformers. My choice, tidal wave after scanning wing zero. Who knows what kind of crazy weapons and speed he or another transformer mimicking a gundam could have. What say the?
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Post by Dirt on Nov 15, 2009 9:10:36 GMT -5
While that is true you have all failed to mention newtypes who have an almost psychic ability and could not only detect but intercept most transformers attacks. I also believe the outcome could rely heavily on if it is a 1 v. 1 situation, or a squad on squad (5 v. 5) or a force on force and There are way more mobile suits than transformers, but you are right less gundams. The skill of the pilot and particular transformer are incredibly large factors though. You also haven't added in funnels which are incredibly effective psycommune weaponry. Plus some Gundams can transform Like Zeta and ZZ. Also the G Gundam series has a piloting system that makes piloting just like walking around which would even the playing field. Then F91 has a biorythem computer which syncs to your biorythems. And there are also giant mobile suits like Psycho Gundam and Big Zam. However there are some pretty huge and scarry transforms like the big destructor from the second movie oh and if you guys remember from the series they had certain cyber keys which could unlock better weaponry and armor. over all 1 v. 1 i think depends on the MS and pilot and transformer someone like Char in the Sazabi, Amuro in the NU Gundam, Zechs in Epion, Domon in Burning, or Heero in Wing would pwn just about anybody. 5 v. 5 the same kind of thing, but force on force could honestly be anybodies game. Overall my vote goes to gundams
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Post by Sir Kiken on Nov 17, 2009 19:29:31 GMT -5
On the subject of T's turning into M's. They would STILL feel pain and be technically armorless. That metal that blocks regular bullets is still their SKIN. Ouch. Several disadvantages still lie in the works. Also, though they copy the general body of an ms, their external weapons (i.e. beam sabers, heat axes/rods, machine guns, beam rifles) are not copied in the same manner and thus are not added to the advantage. On the subject of transforming planets I do believe at the beginning I said Autobots and/or Decepticons. Am I mistaken in thinking that the planets are neither? As far as numbers go I'm almost certain it's said that Cybertron is ruined and that would inevitably decrease the population by large margins. Gundams and MS can potentially be mass produced. Well, at least till we run out of money.
Again, I give Gundams the edge.
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Post by Knight on Nov 21, 2009 2:35:01 GMT -5
well this has been a very good arguement and if i didnt know anything i would so go with the trans cuz they can mimic machines of any kind but since i do have fair knowledge of both combatants i go with GUNDAMS!!!!!!!!
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Post by Sir Kiken on Nov 21, 2009 19:28:24 GMT -5
It seems far too unanimous at this point.
The winner by knockout is...
Gundams
All in all, we never got as far as a real contest. Hate to say it, but it was a blowout.
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Post by Dirt on Nov 22, 2009 4:44:44 GMT -5
yeah and I think that as far as debates go this was a great debut. ESPECIALLY because no Joe Rogan that stupid orange bastard haha. I only say that cause Kiken reminded me of Mike Goldberg, but without his annoying orange echo
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Post by Sir Kiken on Nov 22, 2009 20:49:32 GMT -5
Lol, F*CK Joe Rogan.
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